mandela. not to say look how you treated me. i'm free now and i can ya ya ya at you, not that at all. in fact, he was gracious, welcome. he said, this is south africa. this is for all of us. blac blacks, all of us, this is our country. >> it's so interesting to hear your reflection, because i haven't talked to anyone who knew him, dr. angelou, who knew him before he went into prison. people talk about the crucible the 27-year imprisonment was. you're reflecting he had this special grace in his heart and his soul even before he went into prison. i want to share with you what charlene hunter gault said to us right after his death was announced and we were on the air together. she said when she first met him when he walked out to freedom, and she was trying to create a connection and said, you know, i was part of the civil rights movement in the south. he said oh, do you know maya angelou? she meant so much to me, reading her in prison. you were in his heart and mind all those years. >> he told charlene gault that people had been s